I can hear that you are torn, but I am not having that problem at all. I have already answered this at least twice. And let me draw attention to the fact that you did not address the other half of my statement which was about the way in which you’ve added your analysis of me into the discussion. I have been buying most of my seed from FEDCO the last few years. We were not in a position financially to buy a house when our youngest went to college. You answer in a round about way. You already said it is an emotional issue for you and you think it is 1000% wrong. Where you don't trust Monsanto Dupont, Syngenta, Bayer, BASF and Dow, etc. Earl May Seed. Period. Hopefully IF it is explained well enough others might get a better understanding of the issue.". Here is the original post which drew my attention and the topic I was staying on as much as possible: "If you want to avoid using GMO seeds, here is a list of seed companies owned by Monsanto. Really, a good rule of thumb is that if an article criticizing GMOs doesn't mention DuPont or Syngenta, they really don't know what they are talking about. The recent development of the "Golden Rice Project" has aimed to genetically alter the staple crop to provide vitamin A to people who depend on rice for sustenance and as a result of their diet, often suffer severe deficiencies in the nutrient which can cause blindness and increases infant mortality rates in the developing world.In fact, as the worlds population continues to grow, use of GE crops shows significant promise to stabilizing the worlds food supply. You seem to feel that what you have to say is much more important than anything I have to say. Monsanto does not offer genetically modified vegetable seeds for the home garden market. You think that you have answered it, but to me that was not an answer. There was no Whole Foods, or organic seed, fertilizers, etc. Or do you actually believe that all the lawsuits [which there are many beyond what happened in India] and the complaints against Monsanto are manufactured and Monsanto and GMO seeds are above reproach? And calling my contribution, 'a mess', that you were expected to clean up. -- and what I said, which was that ‘getting the word out’ produces an ‘awareness’ of GMOs as an issue. The farm includes over a thousand varieties of plants on six acres of land originally cultivated by the Tewa people on a flood plain along the Rio Grande in El Guique, New Mexico. All the people working tirelessly to be stewards of seeds and to create varieties of seed for home gardeners that are what we all want.... A couple of quick questions.... Do you plan on living in the house? Also, this isn't meant as an attack on anyone here or their opinions. I haven't bought a non organic commercial fertilizer in 30 years of growing. Monsanto is now owned by Bayer. I disagree, that only when you are trying to convince someone of something, do you need to ‘win their favor’. They shipped them the next day and I got them three days from when I ordered them. I don’t even have the time to read the above entire article on Monsanto, but a quick scan of the section on ‘Controversies’, shows that all over the world, people are fighting against Monsanto because of the ill effect that their association with the company has had. I get Mother Earth News out of the library once in awhile. Salmon Arm , British Columbia VIE 3L2 Tel: 250-804-0122 Email: [email protected] www.stellarseeds.com, Soggy Creek Seed Co. 113 Chapman’s Landing Rd. [g] Not always easy to get what is in your head clearly down on the page. What a person intends and what they end up doing are not always the same. Anyway, let me try again….without going back to reread the thread again…. I will say I do read Mother Earth News and have seen some documentaries and news pieces on the subject. Nothing. © 2020   Created by truth. and aside from seeds, I don't use the kind of products they make any way. And that has not changed since the first time I posted it. I'm sure I have done my share of that, too. And a few comments later, you said you were ‘not looking for an argument’, but I dispute that statement. My son-in-law periodically goes by the old place and says we got out at a perfect time. When the purchase was finalized, I was out on my rear without a job, so if anyone has reason to be unhappy with them for political reasons, that's me! :-). Rather than bow, I will use the word "succumb". Happy Growing! Approximately 40% of the rice harvest is lost each year to pest and disease issues as a result of the protracted flooding of paddies. I suspect it is a lack of awareness. You’ve said twice you consider yourself an independent thinker. The other thing you said *about* being misquoted is *false*, quoting what you say now: "PC misquoted me, I said people becoming aware of the issue of GMOs was a good thing.". I'm shocked that Totally Tomatoes and Gardens Alive are on this list. How did you come to this conclusion? I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply 'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleading information with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering. Didn't know someone was trying to track the government officials who are making policy that allows Monsanto to continue along. Secret Seeds – organic vegetable and herb seeds. A final tour of the farm was provided on Saturday, August 14. A more reliable source of the seed companies owned by Montsanto can be found on this link: https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/sites/default/files/fs_1802_1406-monsantoseedsupd_web.pdf. Nipissing Village Ontario  P0H 1W0 www.seeds.soggycreek.com, Tatiana’s TOMATObase 110 Lanson Crescent Anmore, BC V3H 4X6, Canada Terra Edibles Box 164 Foxboro, Ontario K0K 2B0 Tel: 613-968-8238 Fax: 613-968-6369, Tourne-Sol Cooperative Farm 1025ch. No. Read this National Geographic Article on GMOs and Florida Orange Juice if you have a moment and you can see some of the difficult issues that consumers may vote soon on with their dollars. Really? I normally would not provide links to support my position. Thank you prarie. GMOs don’t seem to concern you. Thanks for bringing them to my attention. This is just a winter sowing forum where people don't come to receive inaccurate information in order to 'convert' them to some belief system. ~ Are you not against any of the things that Monsanto has done or is doing? Ed, do you see the green sentence at the bottom of the thread, to click on to switch off notifications? I wasn't so much saying you were scare mongering as the article. I had already said the same thing in an earlier post, but did not use the word, ‘misquoted’ and you had no problem with that. It does add a lot of stress to your child to maintain a house and collect rent and pay utilities and put up with questionable roomies. That is why there is a plethora of graphs and guides online trying to keep track of what they actually own. Oh, for the record, The New York Times, Science, Nature, and NPR are reputable sources, someone was asking what was considered a reputable source. BTW, Scott's is so into bed with reciprocal marketing companies with Monsanto compared to the companies mentioned it is crazy. I can hear that you are torn, but I am not having that problem at all. I get it, you are a ‘critical thinker’, and ‘independent thinker’ and a very detail oriented thinker. Do you realize that many people already are avoiding all soy and corn because of the difficulty now of finding non GMO soy and corn? "There are two spiritual dangers in not owning a farm," wrote Aldo Leopold, "One is the danger of supposing that breakfast comes from the grocery..." When we remove ourselves so far from what is actually going on in our food supply, we basically give the large agribusinesses carte blanche to do whatever they want, as long as the shelves are always stocked.Now, with that being said, there are benefits to genetic engineering that are often overlooked in the conversation. I have to agree with PC's comment from May 10th which says: "I disagree that a better understanding of 'an issue' is gotten by simply'getting the word out' with such low quality, false and misleadinginformation with an agenda behind it described above as fear-mongering.". In large part, these numbers reflect usage of Seminis varieties within large industrial production geared towards supermarkets, but Seminis seeds are also widely used by regional conventional and organic farmers as well as market and home gardeners. 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